Uncategorized

CIA Inspector General: Torture Didn’t Help

In 2004, the CIA’s Inspector General John Helgerson found that there was no conclusive proof that waterboarding or other harsh interrogation techniques helped thwart any specific imminent attacks.

President Bush told a September 2006 news conference that one plot, to attack a Los Angeles office tower, was “derailed” in early 2002 — before the harsh CIA interrogation measures were approved, contrary to those who claim that waterboarding revealed it.

Some officials at CIA headquarters insisted on the repeated waterboarding of Abu Zubaydah, the first prisoner to undergo the technique, even after the interrogators on the scene sought to discontinue the technique.

Some interrogators went beyond what the Justice Department initially authorized in an Aug. 1, 2002, memo

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/66895.html

Uncategorized

Comments (0)

Permalink

FBI Interrogator At Quantanamo: Torture Didn’t Work

Ali Soufan was an FBI interrogator at Quantanamo and reports some interesting facts.

“The first [torture memo], dated August 2002, grants authorization to use harsh interrogation techniques on a high-ranking terrorist, Abu Zubaydah, on the grounds that previous methods hadn’t been working.”

But Ali Soufan had been interrogating Abu Zubaydah from March to June 2002.

“Under traditional interrogation methods, [Abu Zubaydah] provided us with important actionable intelligence.”

“We discovered, for example, that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. Abu Zubaydah also told us about Jose Padilla, the so-called dirty bomber. This experience fit what I had found throughout my counterterrorism career: traditional interrogation techniques are successful in identifying operatives, uncovering plots and saving lives.”

“There was no actionable intelligence gained from using enhanced interrogation techniques on Abu Zubaydah that wasn’t, or couldn’t have been, gained from regular tactics.”

“Defenders of these techniques have claimed that they got Abu Zubaydah to give up information leading to the capture of Ramzi bin al-Shibh, a top aide to Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and Mr. Padilla. This is false. The information that led to Mr. Shibh’s capture came primarily from a different terrorist operative who was interviewed using traditional methods.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/opinion/23soufan.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

Uncategorized

Comments (0)

Permalink

Waterboard Confessions!

Dick “Palpatine” Cheney, the man who spent the last 8 years burying the truth of what the government was doing under layer after layer of secrecy and lies, has just announced that the government should release more torture memos to show what intelligence torture has produced.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/20/cheney-calls-release-memos-showing-results-interrogation-efforts-1862515294/

Never mind the fact that the entire time Cheney was in power, he wanted to keep as much power as possible, and now that he’s out of power, and more importantly, his actions as the Dark Sith Lord might land him in front of the Hague, now he’s calling for transparency in government.

Never mind that that Cheney trying to defend torture on the grounds that it “works” is morally equivalent to arguing that we should use criminals and the mentally and physically challenged as sandbagging material because they do in fact hold back water when tied up in burlap bags.

Never mind the fact that immediately after 9/11, the US tortured Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, who then gave us the “intelligence” that al Quaeda had sent operatives to Iraq to acquire chemcial and biological weapons and training, that this “intelligence” was the entire basis for how Bush justified linking Iraq to 9/11, and that this entire linkage was not only a LIE, but it was a lie that Bush and Cheney eagerly believed so they could launch an invasion of Iraq in an effort to give reconstruction contracts to Cheney’s Haliburton company.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070517165922rn_2/www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5197853/site/newsweek/

http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2005/DIAletter.102605.pdf

Never mind that Bush and Cheney’s precious “intelligence” , i.e. the NIE, to the US congress back in 2002 said with “high confidence” that Iraq “has now established large-scale, redundant and concealed BW agent production capabilities.” It said “all key aspects” of Iraq’s offensive BW program “are active and that most elements are larger and more advanced than they were before the Gulf War.”

NEVER MIND THAT EVERY BIT OF THIS PRECIOUS INTELLIGENCE WAS WRONG. Never mind that this intelligence was used to justify a war we are still fighting years later and still have no exit in sight.

http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/iraq-wmd.html

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1120-01.htm

Never mind any of that.

What I realized was that Cheney is right, at least in this one particular instance. We need more transparency. We need to see ALL the things that EVERY PERSON EVER TORTURED BY US HANDLERS EVER CONFESSED TO. And put them all up side by side and see what there is to see.

I thought I’d provide a starting list. So, here are some of the things that people have confessed to while being tortured by US agents:

1) Hijacker of United Airlines Flight 175

2) Driver of small craft that attacked the USS Cole

3) Kaiten submarine crew

4) Selbstopfereinsatz pilot

When you’re tortured long enough, you’ll confess to anything that will make the torture stop. This is why the system of torture doesn’t work. It’s morally wrong, but it doesn’t work either. Darth Cheney wants to argue that torture does work that it did produce good information. Well, even a broken clock is right two times a day.

Uncategorized

Comments (0)

Permalink

Free Bernie Madoff! Look Forward! No Retribution!

A group of people committed a massive number of crimes over the last few years. Do we prosecute them or not? Do we bring them before a court of law, give them due process, and let justice be served?

Put the Washington Post’s Steven Pearlstein, Fortune’s Nina Easton, Time’s Rick Stengel, former GOP House Majority Leader Dick Armey, and former Democratic Rep. Harold Ford Jr. in a room and ask them if we should prosecute people believed to have committed a crime. Apparently, their answer to that question for some people is: “It depends.”

Ask them if we should prosecute Bernie Madoff. I’m pretty sure they’ll say “yes”. Ask them if we should prosecute the people who committed war crimes, and suddenly the justice system is “vengence”, suddenly due process is “vindictive”, suddenly the notion of rule of law is “anger and retribution”. They will tell you with a straight face that it is more important that we “look forward” than it is to apply the rule of law.

For those of you just tuning in, here is what you need to know: The noise you’re hearing from these suckups and sycophants is nothing more than the henchmen arguing that Dr. Evil shouldn’t be prosecuted because they’re afraid that once Dr. Evil is convicted, then the justice system will then go after them. And they know they’ve helped Dr. Evil do illegal things.

Waterboarding is a war crime. We convicted Japanese soldiers of war crimes for waterboarding Americans during WWII. Now Americans have waterboarded a bunch of people and done it hundreds of times. And it’s exactly the same crime. It’s a crime to waterboard someone. It’s a crime for a superior to order people under their command to waterboard someone. It’s a crime to release “memos” trying to handwave the law away and declare that waterboarding is not illegal.

And while it isn’t a crime to be a right wing lackey mouthpiece working at some place like Fox News, it certainly doesn’t look good when you spend 8 years acting like a mindless cheerleader for the Bush administration, and then suddenly have it come out that Bush and all the behaviours that you were cheerleading were actually violations of international law.

So, all the noise you’re hearing from the blowhards saying we shouldn’t investigate these crimes? It’s coming from people who committed those crimes or people who spent the last eight years cheerleading those crimes. That’s all you need to know.

Prosecute war crimes.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/20/prosecutions/index.html

Uncategorized

Comments (0)

Permalink

Fascists Israeli Foreign Minister Off to a Predictable Start

At a handover ceremony taking the seat as Israel’s new Foreign Minister, the fascist Avigdor Lieberman, leader of the ultra-nationalist Yisrael Beitenu party, gave a speech saying Israel is not bound by the 2007 Annapolis conference.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/04/200941123925371818.html

The Annapolis conference marked the first time a two-state solution was articulated as the mutually agreed-upon outline for addressing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The conference ended with the issuing of a joint statement from all parties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapolis_Conference

Instead of supporting the Annapolis conference resolution, Lieberman stated that Israel would give Palestinians their own state strictly on Israel’s terms, i.e. only after every single Palestinian alive stopped committing violence against Israel. If so much as one Palestinian blows themselves up in a suicide bomb, all Palestinians shall be refused their own state for another year.

The rocket attacks from Gaza had stopped for four months during a negotiated ceasefire when Israel invaded Gaza and killed several members of Hamas, which escalated into the full scale bombardment and invasion by Israel that killed a thousand Gazan civilians. Two dozen Israelis had been killed by rockets during the previous twelve months. Israel will use the least provocation to go to war. Israel will use the least provocation to collectively punish all Palestinians. Israel will use the least provocation to avoid a long term peaceful solution.

Anyone who seriously thinks that Israel is a partner for peace is a damned fool.

“Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China [Tiananmen Square], when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories.” (Israeli Journal Hotam, November 24, 1989) — Netanyahu, Israel’s new Prime Minister

Netanyahu on peace

Uncategorized

Comments (0)

Permalink

Israel Appoints Fascist Foreign Minister

Benjamin Netanyahu, the designated Israeli prime minister, has struck a coalition deal with the Yisrael Beitenu party, naming Avigdor Lieberman as Israel’s new Foreign Minister.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/03/200931644830994751.html

Avigdor Lieberman is a fascist who lives in a Jewish settlement the West Bank. All Jewish settlements on Palestinian land are roadblocks to an eventual two-state solution and eventual peace.

Lieberman has called for Israel to redraw its borders to expand Israel into Arab lands. He has called Arabs living in Israel a “fifth column” of Israel’s enemies and demanded that they should take “loyalty oaths” and those who refuse should be stripped of their citizenship.

Anyone hoping for peace in the middle east should note that Lieberman’s appointment just pushed the peace process back a decade. And this is what Israel’s democracy voted for. Israel does not want peace and has made it clear by voting a fascist into office.

At this point, the only possibility I can see for derailing this nightmare is if Livni’s party can cause the coalition to split somehow and force a new round of elections before the current coalition does too much damage..It would be the best worst case solution in a place where there are no best case solutions.

Uncategorized

Comments (0)

Permalink

America cannot afford another Saddam Hussein.

The Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein, and?

In 1953, British and American intelligence overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran in Operation Ajax and installed the Shah as dictator and puppet of the West. The British and US were indifferent to the damage the coup and the Shah would inflict on Iranians, and were only concerned with how the coup would benefit them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d’%C3%A9tat

The Shah was a brutal dictator ruling Iran for 25 years with an iron fist. His secret police, the SAVAK, was associated with the CIA and together they tortured and executed political opponents and anyone a threat to the Shah’s power. Viewing Iran as a stop against the spread of Soviet influence, Nixon gave the Shah carte blanche to buy all the American weapons he wanted. US aid to Iran continued until 1967.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,912545-6,00.html

The general attitude in Washington was that, although the Shah could be a most stubborn and inconvenient ally (former Secretary of the Treasury William Simon once called him “a nut”), he was on the whole considered a force for stability and moderation in the Middle East.

This assessment revealed itself to be utter bullocks in 1979.

By 1976, Amnesty International estimated that the Shah held between 25,000 and 100,000 political prisoners. During protests in 1978 and 1979, the Shah’s military opened fire on civilan demonstrators, killing five to ten thousand. By 1978, the Iranian people were holding massive demonstrations against the Shah. The Shah fled Iran in January 1979. The Ayatollah Khomeini and his followers swept through the country, taking power in February 1979.

By October 1979, the Shah entered the United States. Iranians had demanded the Shah return for trial and execution, and were so outraged by the US defending the tyrant it had put in power back in 1953, that Iranians invaded the US embassy in Iran and took 52 Americans hostage for 444 days.

Iran turned into a fundamentalist muslim theocracy, and America’s overthrow of it’s democratic government in 1953, and its continued support of a brutal tyrant for 25 years, was what radicalized the country to fundamentalism, extremism, and with a severe hatred toward the US.

Fearful of the new radical extremist Iranian government it helped create, The US looked for a new stabilizing force it could support.

In 1979, Saddam Hussein became president of Iraq by killing and arresting his rivals. Saddam viewed the Islamic Revolution by the Ayatollah in Iran as a threat to his power. Iraq had large Shiite population, and Saddam’s power was vested mainly in the Sunni population of Iraq. Saddam’s government had a mostly non-religious ideology, and Saddam viewed as a threat to his own power the possibility that Iraqi Shiites might become sympathetic to the Shiite Muslim theocracy in Iran. In 1980, Saddam declared war on Iran.

In 1983, US special national intelligence estimate explores both the domestic and foreign implications of Iran’s apparent victory over Iraq. It states “Iraq has essentially lost the war with Iran” (p.6) It spends a page and a half discussing how Iraq losing the war could affect oil prices (at the time, around $34 a barrel)

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB167/03.pdf

During the mid 1980’s, the US pumped massive military support into Iraq, including chemical agents, biological agents, anthrax, weapons grade botulin poison, west nile virus, cyanide, mustard gas, and other Weapons of Mass Destruction. The US publicly condemned Iraq’s use of WMD’s while it continued giving Iraq full military support. Throughout the mid 80’s, Iraq used WMD’s against Iran on a regular basis, and occasionally against its own civilian population, and throughout the 80’s, the US supported Iraq.

In 1984, Iran presents a resolution to the UN condemning Iraq’s use of chemical weapons. The US embassador to the UN called for “restraint”. The resolution is rewritten removing all mention of Iraq from the resolution before the US allows it to pass.

By 1986, Kuwait asked the US to protect its oil tankers. The US reflaged the tankers under US flags, which then allowed the US military to attack Iranian ships that threaten the tankers. The tanker wars continued for years, culminating in 1988 when the US Vincennes shoots down Iran Air Flight 655, killing all 290 civilian passengers aboard.

By 1988, Iran and Iraq declare a ceasefire. Iraq’s economy is in a shambles and Kuwait is overproducing oil, dropping the price of oil, and impacting Iraq’s ability to pay off its debts. In 1990, Iraq invades Kuwait.

It would take a massive military coalition to force Iraq out of Kuwait, and it would take ten years to disarm Saddam Hussein. By 2000, the chief US weapons inspector, Scott Ritter stated that Iraq was 98% disarmed, but the US wanted a reason to topple Iraq and install its own government, so it wouldn’t allow Saddam to certify Iraq as fully disarmed.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051114/ritter/2

By February, 2003, the chief UN weapons inspector in Iraq, Hans Blix, stated that Iraq was complying with inspections and that inspections would be complete within several months. The United States invaded within a month, citing false intelligence, and phony, nonexistent, links between Iraq and the attacks on 9/11. Years later, the US is still bogged down in that military quagmire.

In 1953, the US threw its military and financial support behind the Shah of Iran, thinking this would counter potential Soviet influence in the area, and stopping Iran from taking its oil fields away from British Petroleum. The total brutality of the Shah radicalized Iranians against him and against the US, and was a direct cause of the Iranian Revolution of 1979.

In 1983, the US threw its military and financial support behind Saddam Hussein, thinking this would counter the radical fundamentalist theocracy that had taken power in Iran in 1980. Once again, the assessment of experts in Washington revealed itself to be utter bullocks only a few years later.

The “experts” have repeatedly thrown military might and economic support behind military brutes in the middle east, arguing that having a strong ally in the middle east will create a stabilizing force in the region. And repeatedly, these “experts” have been shown to be full of shit. And the backlash it has created in the region always comes back to harming US civilians.

But, surely, we wouldn’t let these morons repeat this idiocy again, would we?

Don’t count on it.

We’re doing it right now with our blind, unquestioning support of Israel. Israel is America’s next Shah of Iran. Israel is America’s next Saddam Hussein. And like our blind support of the Shah caused the backlash of the Iranian Revolution, like our blind support of Saddam Hussein armed a madman with weapons of mass destruction, our blind support of a militant and beligerent Israel helped bring the attacks of 9/11 upon the US.

The US politicians and “experts” would say that our support of Israel brings stability to the middle east, but this opinion has already been shown to be utter bullocks.

Currently Israel receives the largest sum of American foreign aid, about three billion dollars every year. Every gun, every fighter plane, every helicopter, every tank used by the Israeli army is an American made weapon. M-16’s, F-16’s, Apache’s, and M-1’s.

http://www.fpif.org/papers/usisrael.html

While the US pumps billions of dollars into supporting Israel, the US ambassador to the United Nations has always made sure that no UN resolution will ever pass that criticizes Israel too strongly.

And while the US only strengthens its unquestion support of Israel, Israel’s actions in the Middle East are more and more coming under international condemnation.

Back in August of 2006, the UN condemned Israel’s use of thousands of cluster bombs against its war with Lebanon, leaving millions of unexploded munitions on the ground that would take months or years to clear.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/31/lebanon.clusterbombs/index.html

In May of 2008, Former US president and Nobel Peace Prize winner, Jimmy Carter condemned Israels blockade of Gaza as a “human rights crime”.

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2008/05/26/gaza-blockade-is-human-rights-crime-carter/

October of 2008, Nobel Peace Prize winner Mairead McGuire arrived in a boat off the coast of Gaza to protest Israel’s continuing blockade of Gaza.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=6134239

In January of 2009, the Red Cross stated that Israel broke international law.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/01/08-6

January of 2009, the UN human rights chief warned a special session of the Human Rights Council on Friday that violations in the Gaza Strip were severe and that some reported incidents may warrant prosecutions for war crimes.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090109/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictgazaunrightschief_newsmlmmd

Also in January of 2009, Amnesty International joins the chorus calling for investigations into war crimes violations by Israel’s military in Gaza.

http://blog.amnestyusa.org/middle-east/un-should-investigate-war-crimes/

Of course, this blind and unquestioning support of Israel while the international community condemns Israel’s actions surely won’t have any negative consequences to America.

Will it?

On 18 April 1996, Israel bombarded a UN compound in Lebanon where civilians had fled for shelter from Israels invasion of Lebanon. Israel’s bombardment of the compound killed 106 civilians and wounded 116. The event became known as the Qana Massacre. A United Nations investigation into the incident found that the shelling was likely deliberate. Amnesty International investigated and concluded that the Israeli attack on civilians had been intentional. Human Rights Watch investigated and concluded that Israel violated international law. When the UN tried to pass a resolution requiring that Israel pay for the reconstruction of the UN facility, only two countries voted against the resolution, Israel, and the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_shelling_of_Qana

An architectural graduate student studying in Saudi Arabia saw video of the carnage and signed a “martyrdom will” the very same day of the massacre. His name was Muhammad Atta, and five years later, he would be piloting one of the planes into the World Trade Center on 9/11. The backlash to America’s blind support of Israel has already started.

Some would argue that the US government’s blind and unquestioning devotion to Israel comes from the Israeli lobby, American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC. Former President Jimmy Carter stated that AIPAC is putting enormous pressure on politicians running for office who do not share AIPAC’s goals. However, that can’t entirely explain why when the international community is roundly condemning and criticizing Israel’s actions in Gaza in december 2008 and January 2009, the US Senate passes a resolution “recognizing the right of Israel to ‘defend’ itself”. It was passed by unanimous voice vote, a true sign of cowardice.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=sr111-10

AIPAC probably has as much money and lobbying influence as the NRA, which is a lot, but even in teh face of NRA lobbyists, Congress manages to pass a gun control law or two. On the other hand, Congress is unanimous in its support of Israel. So there’s more to it than lobbyist money.

It would seem that the very same “experts” who advised the US to overthrow the democratic government of Iran and install the Shah as brutal dictator, who advised us to arm Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction in the 1980’s, who argued these actions would create a stabilizing force in the middle east, who have been time and again been shown to be completely full of shit, these very same moronic “experts” are still considered “experts” by the US government. And these idiots have convinced the US government that blind support of Israel will stabilize the region, will grant us power and influence in the region.

And when Israel commits attrocities like the Qana Massacre, and people like Muhammed Atta become radicalized terrorists in response, it is American civilians who pay the price for the stupidity of these so called “experts”.

Wasn’t it enough for the US to create one Shah? Wasn’t it enough that the US armed Saddam Hussein with WMD’s? Hasn’t the US caused enough damage following the advice of these “experts”?

We must stop our unquestioning support of Israel, we must stop turning a blind eye to the aggression and beligerence of Israel, we must stop turning a blind eye to the human rights violations and war crimes committed by Israel that the rest of the world sees but we refuse to acknowledge, we must stop protecting an aggressive and even beligerent government from committing attrocities without repurcussions, because we cannot afford the repurcussions that blind support creates for America.

We cannot afford to allow our blind support of Israel to further radicalize the Middle East against us. We cannot afford to allow the “experts” to fool us into thinking this blind support of Israel will somehow magically “stabilize” the region. Our support of Israel has already radicalized parts of the Middle East against us, and we felt some of the backlash of our blind support on 9/11.
 

Uncategorized

Comments (0)

Permalink

Fallacy of “Something Must Be Done”

The fallacy of “Something must be done” is a fallacy where Alice argues to Bob that some situation is so terrible that something must be done. Once Bob agrees that “something” must be done, Alice then uses that to justify doing anything. Logically speaking, “Something must be done” is a fallacy of equivocation, of shifting meaning.

Alice: Al Queda killed thousands of Americans on 9/11, shouldn’t we do something?

Bob: Yes, of course.

Meanwhile, Alice and Bob have completely different meanings for “something”. Alice is thinking of carpet bombing Iraq, even though Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and Bob is thinking of limited military action in Afghanistan in conjunction with nation building to rebuild its infrastructure. Bob is basing this off the fact that Iraq had nothing to do with the Al Queda attacks on 9/11, among other things.

As a technique of war handwavium, this “something must be done” comes up whenever Bob disagrees with the “something” that Alice is doing, but Alice doesn’t want to talk about her specific actions, so instead generalizes the argument so that they both agree on “doing something”.

The problem is Bob never disagreed on doing something. So Alice’s attempt to drag the discussion into “whether or not something should be done” is redundant from a logical point of view. Bob is already in favor of doing something. But taking the argument back to “doing something” has several advantages for Alice.

First and foremost, it allows Alice to bring up the initial event that started the debate in the first place. If the event is very traumatic and emotional, then pretending that she needs to convine Bob that something must be done allows Alice to reinvoke whatever tragedy started this argument in the first place. 9/11. Terrorist bombing. Whatever. That brings a massive emotional component into the debate, and dilutes the amount of logic that is actually being used in the discussion. It’s an attempt to indirectly appeal to emotions like fear and anger while trying to hide it in civil debate. Except since Bob already wants to do something, so bringing it up is logically redundant.

The second big advantage that “something must be done” gives to Alice is that it brings along with it the implied accusation that Bob doesn’t want to do anything at all, for example, it might imply that Bob in fact thinks the 9/11 attacks were a good thing. When Alice asks “Don’t you think 9/11 was bad enough that something must be done?” she is doing the logical equivalent of asking “Have you stopped beating your wife?” It’s called the Fallacy of Interrogation, andthe problem with it is that the question asked presupposes a definite answer to another question which has not been asked. In Bob’s case here, the unasked question is “Do you support Al Queda?” and the presupposed answer is “yes”. Bob thinks something must be done. It’s just that he think’s the something Alice is doing is the wrong something. Alice brings the debate down to “something must be done” in order to indirectly accuse Bob of not wanting to do anything, of actually siding with Al-Queda and their actions on 9/11.

The next advantage Alice gets by taking the argument back to “something must be done” is that it takes up space, it wears Bob down, chews up time, and attempts to force Bob to expend energy dealing with the question of “something must be done”. With the indirect accusation from Alice that Bob doesn’t want to do anything and that Bob is actully an Al-Queda supporter, Bob can get sucked into a long discussion just trying to defend himself as not being an Al Queda mole. Without realizing it, Bob has been tricked into spending his time arguing that he doesn’t support Al Queda. If Bob spends time arguing that he doesn’t agree with Al Queda and that he doesn’t agree with their actions on 9/11, then when he’s done, all he’s accomplished is to take Alice’s scuttling of the debate about what specifically should be done, defend himself against Alice’s implied question that he supports Al Queda, at which point Bob has managed to elevate the discussion back to that they both agree that “something” must be done. Exactly what Alice wanted him to say. At which point, Alice says she’s tired, others have gotten bored, the comment thread is up to 1000 posts, and the issue of what specifically should be done never gets discussed. At which point, Alice can claim that everyone agreed that “something” must be done, so she then goes and orders the invasion of Iraq in reponse to 9/11.

But probably the most important advantage “something must be done” gives to Alice is that it moves the debate from discussing what specifically it is that Alice proposes doing. Alice doesn’t want to discuss the issues and problems and moral dillemmas involved with bombing Iraq in response to 9/11. She wants to get the debate away from listing all the things that are wrong with her “something”. She wants to get the debate away from proving her “something” is foolhardy tribalism. She wants to get the debate away from what might cause the public to oppose her desire to bomb Iraq. And so she derails the conversation into “something must be done”. It gives her exactly what she wants. It invokes the fear and anger in the audience that they felt on 9/11. It accuses Bob, her debating opponent, of wanting to do nothing, of siding with the enemy, of being an Al Queda operative. And if all goes according to Alice’s plan, Bob will expend time, energy, and words establishing what has already been established: that he wants to do something in response to 9/11, but by the time he does that, the audience will be bored and Bob won’t be able to discuss why he opposes bombing Iraq.

“Something must be done” invokes the emotional response in the audience of the triggering event, appealing to their fear and anger.

“Something must be done” brings implied accusations that the other person is an enemy sympathizer.

“Something must be done” avoids discussing what specifically should be done.

If someone in a debate is invoking the emotional response of an enemy attack, if someone is accusing someone else of being an enemy sympathizer, if someone is trying to avoid discussing the realities on the ground (we’re about to invade Iraq in response to 9/11 and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11), then take a look at that person’s wording and see if they’re not trying to invoke the “something must be done” fallacy.

Uncategorized

Comments (0)

Permalink

some programming for Obama supporters

For those who can read pseudocode: 

While( !(feet_in_booth()) ) {

     keep_feet_to_fire(); 

}

 For those who prefer a more visceral explanation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xnk9aqih8o

Uncategorized

Comments (0)

Permalink

McCain to Obama: I am not a Crook!

In last nights final debate, John McCain channelled Richard Nixon and told Obama “I am not a crook.” OK, he said “I am not George Bush”, but, whatever. McCain saying he’s not the McSame as George Bush is about as absurd as Nixon declaring he is not a crook.

Obama responded by pointing out that its hard to tell the difference between the policies of Bush versus McCain because they keep lining up. McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. McCain has been proud of this fact. McCain repeatedly voted for Bush’s budgets. He voted to invade Iraq. He has an entire decades-long history of voting for deregulating the markets. But he’s not Bush?

OK, I suppose we are talking about two different flesh and blood bodies here, so they can’t be the same. And I doubt McCain is Bush’s supervillian secret identity. Well, I know they aren’t because we keep seeing them together. Hugging. Kissing. An occasional tush grab. GET A ROOM YOU TWO!

Anyway, in light of this rather surreal statement, I give you the original I am not what I obviously am :

I am not George Bush either

Also, under the category of WTF?

 McCain lunges for Obama

Uncategorized

Comments (0)

Permalink